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• Do I keep AHRDF going ?

  VK4ADC > 15-06-2023, 05:28 PM

  Each year at this time I receive the domain renewal notice for AHRDF.NET and I think "Do I keep AHRDF going ?".  
  
  Throughout the year the activity with the new posts is like a seesaw. There have been periods recently where there have not been any new posts - or responses - for 2 weeks or so and then there is a bit of a flurry of activity.  Consistent - it is not.   The problem arises when you consider that most returning/recurring visitors are expecting to see something new on the Forum, and when there isn't then they are likely to go away at some point - and stay away.
  
  Sure, there are often visitors searching for info of some kind and a search engine has pointed to the Forum as a possible match against key words and some of the visitors probably find something of use.  Then again maybe not.  It exists, but to what end. This activity is not quantifiable in any worthwhile way.
  
  Let's face it, it does cost to  keep the domain name going year after year plus there are some hosting costs attributable, and that comes out of my pocket. 
  
  And so the annual question arises yet again : Do I keep it going - or not ??  
  
  Doug, admin

• RE: Do I keep AHRDF going ?

  VK3RX > 15-06-2023, 06:47 PM

  How much are you paying?
  
  My annual domain renewal is about $US15.

• RE: Do I keep AHRDF going ?

  VK4ADC > 16-06-2023, 07:51 AM

  Damien
  
  The domain renewal fee is $US20 but it is not just that cost that reflects on whether to keep AHRDF "on-air".  The renewal simply serves as a reminder that a decision again needs to be made, after reviewing how much value it is to the amateur community, as based on activity obvious through useage. 
  
  The hosting service software versions are not being updated (and I am advised won't be) and eventually that means that the MYBB package that is used for AHRDF will run out of road for security and reliability patches.  A later major version (4 versus 3) has been available for some time but requires recent PHP and SQL version support.  Sure, I could move to more expensive hosting that has the latest and greatest versions but (again) that comes out of my pocket, and is it worthwhile if the Forum usage rate is - and remains - low ?
  
  This "issue" crosses my mind each year and there is no outright answer. So I continue to pose the question : Do I keep AHRDF going ?
  
  Doug, admin

• RE: Do I keep AHRDF going ?

  VK3BA > 21-06-2023, 07:11 PM

  G'day Doug,
  
  Please keep it going. I understand the activity levels have been all over the shop in recent times - let's blame it on Covid like everyone else does! Like a lot of things in the technical pursuit of Amateur Radio, some things come and go and some things come from a sleep to active again. Thanks for maintaining this forum - I appreciate it.
  
  One could assume activity here has been a bit quiet lately, but all it takes is a fruity topic and off we go.
  
  Keep up your great work, Doug!
  
  Cheers,

• RE: Do I keep AHRDF going ?

  VK4ADC > 28-06-2023, 09:10 PM

  Well the 'good news' is that AHRDF.NET lives on for another year.  
  
  The domain name has been renewed for a year but will again be the subject of what I think they now call a specific "performance review" in May/June 2024 to determine if it continues after that.  Why then ? Because that is when I decide whether to pay the domain renewal fee...
  
  That performance review period is actually the next 12 months, and not just those weeks, and is a case of determining overall use/activity by registered members. I do not care about visits by unknown visitors, regardless of the magnitude of their numbers.  This forum is not run for the visitors, only members, and if the amateur vistors register and become members, only then will they become a significant factor.
  
  Recently there was a period of 12 to 14 days between subsequent posts, and that lack of use going forward really will kill off the Forum in July 2024.
  
  Doug, admin

• RE: Do I keep AHRDF going ?

  VK3RX > 29-06-2023, 06:45 PM

  (28-06-2023, 09:10 PM)VK4ADC Wrote: I do not care about visits by unknown visitors, regardless of the magnitude of their numbers. 

  Do you class "unknown visitors" as people who look at the site without logging in?
  
  I check the site daily i.e. look at the "Latest Posts" list but don't log in unless I have something to say, and I suspect other registered users may be doing the same.

• RE: Do I keep AHRDF going ?

  VK4ADC > 29-06-2023, 07:03 PM

  Damien
  
  Yes I do. The visitor numbers may be comprised of a number of registered users/'people' who don't log in, but many are search engine 'bots' and referrals from the search engines because there may be a tentative match between a search term, or part thereof, and the content on the AHRDF site.  Those latter "visitors" are not why the Forum exists.
  
  You may wonder why it is important to me. Well the reason for that is that I expend money and time in running the forum and I do not want to waste either if the forum is not going to be used for its intended purpose : to act as a medium to distribute information of interest to amateur radio operators, and to provide a forum for their discussion.  Visitors are generally not going to provide anything of interest to the forum or its users, so I do not see value in taking those numbers into account.
  
  I do have the option of making visitors actually log in to see content, just like the old VKLogger forum did for at least part of its time.  I don't want to force the issue but not doing so makes it impossible to determine real visitors from everything else. The IP addresses of all visitors is logged, logged in or not, but the only ready or easy way to determine who-is-who is to see the list of user's callsigns.
  
  So lack of posts equals inactivity equals a waste of resources.  Back some years ago, there was a call about the ham bands : 'Use it or lose it", and the same principle applies to this forum.
  
  Doug, admin

• RE: Do I keep AHRDF going ?

  VK5PJ > 02-07-2023, 12:28 PM

  Hello Doug,
  it seems to be hard for many to get past the "I have nothing interesting to write about" speed hump for many hams but they do not realise that there is a lot of hidden wisdom in their lives. My local club has latched onto my recent appearance in AR mag and a few of us have been asked to do presentations, (VK5BC get your pen warmed up for your WIA awards walk through) for club meetings.
  
  I wish there was some wonder drug that could get people past the speed hump so they could get onto the keyboard but terminal modesty or death scrolling on social media seem to be the limit for many.

• RE: Do I keep AHRDF going ?

  VK6MIK > 02-07-2023, 12:34 PM

  I'd ask the wia if they can advertise it on the website and magazine for free.
  I was surprised a discussion board wasn't a member service
  Regards Michael VK6MIK

• RE: Do I keep AHRDF going ?

  VK3RX > 02-07-2023, 03:26 PM

  Peter's post above has prompted me to file something I'd written for the OTN a while back, so here's two posts by me to add to the activity log ....

• RE: Do I keep AHRDF going ?

  VK7ZPD > 15-07-2023, 09:54 AM

  I think the forum should be kept running, I used it this morning to see whether VKCL was still current for the Trans Tasman. How you get the usage up I'm not sure, IMO forums are the best place for information exchange, my observation with the Amateur community is that hams seem to be poor at exchanging information, any good searchable resource is invaluable. IMO facebook and to an extent youtube are a means of users feeding their egos, watching a youtube video for 10 or 15 minutes to find out something that could be covered in a sigle page with a couple of screenshots is time wasted. Good luck searching FB that's if you're even part of the correct group.
  
  I'm going to make an effort to post more often.
  
  Thanks Doug for keeping it running and your efforts in the past,

• RE: Do I keep AHRDF going ?

  VK4ADC > 19-07-2023, 08:49 AM

  Philip
  
  The ease of forum referencing versus the likes of Facebook has been apparent for a number of years, and you are right : no one gets to see within a Facebook group unless it is either (1) open to the public; or (2) you are a duly authorised signed-up member.  Unlike that, this forum is open to view but intentionally closed to post, and that last part has a lot to do with ensuring that posts are generated by known users with a sense of responsibility.
  
  I could fill this forum with posts of interest and relevance to AR but it needs others' contributions and questions, not just mine.   There was a recent burst about station earthing with a few examples of how some have done it in practice and these posts do help others to plan their own earthing plans - but a quick flash and 'the pan' is again clean.  It could be an even better reference for others if more users made their own contributions apparent.  Given there is a full search facility built into the forum, it is surprising that more visitors do not use it rather than just rely on the likes of the Google search results.
  
  There will be an "end of the road" for the forum sometime if for no other reason that the code package it uses will no longer be supported.  Whether that is by next June/July, or the one after that, or the one after that..., it will happen eventually.    There is an updated major version available but it will not run on the existing package hosting service (yes, I have asked if they plan to update the necessities of PHP, SQL etc and their response is more $$$$) so I am not going there. 
  
  Doug, admin
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